That’s not a rhetorical question. I really want to know: why would anyone believe Donald Trump could be elected president?
Earlier this week, I was surprised to see Trump leading among Public Policy Polling’s Iowa Republican respondents who are “more concerned with having the candidate who has the best chance of beating a Democrat in the general election.” But that’s not quite the same as asking voters which candidate they believe has the best chance of winning the general election.
When CNN/ORC released a new poll of Iowa Republicans (full results here), the toplines didn’t surprise me:
But get a load of this:
Trump tops the field with 22% and is the candidate seen as best able to handle top issues including the economy, illegal immigration and terrorism. He’s most cited as the one with the best chance of winning the general election, and, by a wide margin, as the candidate most likely to change the way things work in Washington.
Trying to put myself in the mindset of a likely Republican caucus-goer, I understand why 37 percent of the CNN/ORC poll respondents accept the myth that someone who has been successful in business would be the best candidate for the economy.
Given how popular Representative Steve King is among the Iowa GOP base, I understand why 35 percent of respondents think the candidate who has said the most offensive things about Mexicans would best handle illegal immigration.
As for 21 percent of respondents saying Trump would be the best person to handle terrorism, I don’t really get it, but maybe that stems from viewing him as a straight talker.
It makes perfect sense that 44 percent would name Trump as “most likely to change the way things work in Washington.” He’s the only candidate not raising outside cash. He bashes lobbyists and mocks his rivals as “puppets.” The D.C. establishment is terrified of what Trump is doing to the Republican brand.
But I can’t comprehend how 22 percent of respondents would say this clown “has the best chance of winning in the general election next November.” On that question, 16 percent named Jeb Bush, 11 percent named Scott Walker, and only 9 percent named Marco Rubio, widely hailed by pundits as the most electable candidate in the field. Way down the list, 3 percent named John Kasich, the one who would worry me most.
Barack Obama won 332 electoral votes in 2012. You only need 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. So next year’s Republican nominee will need to flip multiple states Obama carried twice.
What blue state could Trump put into play against the likely Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton?
The “gender gap” has been a reliable feature of American elections since the 1980s. Obama widened that gap to 18 percent in 2012. Next year’s nominee will need to do better among women to win the key swing states where Romney fell short. Could any Republican be more alienating to women than Trump? Based on what I’ve heard from Iowa Republicans, he doesn’t make a good impression on women in a retail politics setting either.
Poor performance among Latino voters has hurt Republican candidates in recent presidential elections. According to a study that came out last month,
Thanks to changing demographics, the conventional math that once said the GOP would need to win a minimum of 40% of the Latino electorate no longer holds.
Now, data suggests that Republicans will need as much as 47% of Latino voters — nearly twice the share that Mitt Romney is believed to have captured in 2012. […]
“It’s very, very, very basic: Every single year, you need a little bit more of the Latino vote,” said Matt Barreto, UCLA political science professor and co-founder of the polling firm Latino Decisions. “It’s just math.”
The research is based on demographic changes and voter preferences emerging at a time when older, white voters who have powered Republican nominees are fading. The growing Latino electorate is expected to surpass 10% of all voters in 2016, and younger white voters are trending toward Democrats. […]
The last Republican nominee to hit the 40% threshold was George W. Bush in 2004, who was popular with Latino voters. He went on to win the White House with 58% of the white vote, at a time when Latinos were 7% of overall voters.
Trump describing Mexican immigrants as rapists will probably hurt Republicans next year, no matter who becomes the presidential nominee. But imagine how poorly the GOP would perform among Latino voters with Trump at the top of the ballot.
Even when Trump isn’t trying to be offensive, he can’t help himself. From his rally in Michigan on August 11.
Trump: “I’m leading in the Hispanic vote.” (CHEERS) “I’m also leading in the regular vote.” (CHEERS)
In this thread, please explain to me how anyone sees a path for Trump to win the general election.
7 Comments
There is no precedent
There really is no history for comparison if Trump is the nominee but the closest you could call it would be 80. The economy sucked, the president was unpopular and the Middle East was a disaster. The Republican Party snubbed the establishment and picked Reagan. This time it’s even worse.
Whoever gets the GOP nod will win. Even if Hillary was following a popular president she is seen as part of the old DC problem. Democrats aren’t excited about her moderate policies and Wall Street love.
Things like “the Big Blue Wall” don’t matter. That model relies on focused grouped answers that thread the needle. W ran that way and won once (barely when the outgoing president was popular. ) Two other guys tried and lost. Even states like California have gone to Republicans when a celeb was the candidate. The swing voters don’t vote on policy…they vote on visceral things. Things like “That guy is beholden to nobody and I don’t like him but he tells it like it is.”
The Republican will be running against an old news Democrat candidate AND an unpopular president in a favorable year as the out party. Many of the social issues that young people get hung up on we’re already answered by the Supreme Court. So…if Trump is the nominee…Trump will be president.
john-thompson Fri 14 Aug 12:42 PM
I disagree with almost everything you said
especially the part about the “Big Blue Wall” not mattering.
If Trump is the nominee, the gender gap will be larger than ever, and GOP performance among Latino voters may hit a record low. Not easy to see a path to 270 electoral votes in that scenario.
Some of the GOP candidates could make the general election highly competitive. Others would lose badly.
desmoinesdem Fri 14 Aug 1:24 PM
I'm absolutely serious
When I used to do short term securities trades I used to look at the earning whispers and commentary on speculation. There were often people that would post comments thinking they could root a stock to go up. It’s natural. You want your investments to pay off and you want your stocks to win. But I paid attentions to objective rather than subjective things. I also didn’t fool myself to pretending that something had to be the same based on history when clearly something new was happening.
That’s the case here. I’m not just an RPI rhetoric machine. Whoever the nominee will be for the GOP will be president. Even Trump. Trump will get so much non-stop attention if he’s the nominee that he will be absolutely impervious to character attacks. Everyone will talk about him and everyone in this business will pretend that you can’t defy the model and win. And he will win.
Or another Republican will win. Any of them. Just like Joni’s turn out in the primary and then again in the general election…you will hope against hope Democrats won’t get stomped so bad. But they will. You might pick up Sen Kirk’s senate seat…but the senate will lose ground. Some eb and flo is going to happen in congress but the GOP is probably going to gain ground in both. The Democratic Party is so distinctional right now that even die-hards will be frustrated and stay home. The GOP is catching up on data management. Democrats are too dysfunctional to win.
john-thompson Fri 14 Aug 11:36 PM
we'll have to agree to disagree
A midterm electorate is very different from a presidential year electorate. Candidate quality matters too. Not all the Rs are positioned to have a chance.
desmoinesdem Fri 14 Aug 11:54 PM
I agree that a mid term is different
But this will be one of those anomalies like Johnson’s first, Nixon’s second and both Reagan runs. Up is down and black is white. Karl Rove and Joe Trippie will be on partisan news shows for weeks pretending they saw it coming.
john-thompson Sat 15 Aug 12:04 AM
Data management
Based on what I’ve read, GOP has now surpassed Dems in data management and are really ready to rock and roll on that front in 2016. Additionally I would agree with JT about weak candidates down ballot, at least in Iowa, except for Congress 01, where there are several strong dem candidates. But in 03? Mower might give David Young a contest, but he’s not in yet. Otherwise, zippo. It’s early to judge legislative races, but it doesn’t appear that recruitment of Dem leg candidates is generating much excitement. In ’14 Dems had some good candidates on paper, but they fizzled for any number of reasons – GOP tide, they didn’t work, ineptitude by the Party etc.
I would disagree with JT on the Big Blue Wall. GOP has demographics working against them, no matter the nominee. I’m not saying the wall could not be breached. Just saying it will be very tough.
rockm Sat 15 Aug 9:01 AM
two words
Why might Trump be electable? Two words: Jesse Ventura.
In 1998, the people of Minnesota elected Ventura governor, not because of major issues, but because they thought it was amusing to stick their thumbs in the eyes of the Democrat and Republican establishment. It’s possible the nation’s voters would do the same with Trump. You’re kidding yourselves if you think Democrats and lots of independents wouldn’t join Republicans to vote for Trump. The guy could win. I hope not but it’s absolutely possible.
ontheright Sun 16 Aug 11:08 AM